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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn contributor. does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what t
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has b
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are lawmakers going to find out? >> well, they're going to have some meetings tomorrow on the hill that are going to come before hearings open thursday. and michael morel, acting direct tore of the cia and sean joyce will be involved in these meetings. they'll be asked a lot of questions about what they knew about the petraeus investigation, when they knew it, and why they didn't come forward. a couple things at play here, erin. one is, keep in mind, the fbi itself has said very little about this case so far. public
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
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bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of the cia and having worked closely with the intelligence committees, you know, i believe there is a responsibility to make sure they're informed. did they handle this correctly? >> no. somebody dropped the ball. you never blind side the president. when a senior official in his administration under investigation when e-mails are being read, you inform the white house at a very high level. national security adviser. his council. even the president himself. you always do that. it's a standing protocol inside the federal government. never blindside the president. as far as i've se
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in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he passed on the concerns to robert mueller. now, on november 2nd, the fbi said there's tho evidence petraeus committed a crime and they rule out charges, then it is election day when james clapper is first informed of the investigation. at 5:00 eastern standard time. he called petraeus and advised him to resign. it wasn't until after the election the president was notified and on november 9th, friday, he accepted the resignation. house and senate bell where she knows leaders are then informed. bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi in
in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he...
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and so, i think that again we have the fbi investigation. we're going to have, i'm sure, the intelligence committee involved in this. i heard senator feinstein talking about her plans, so i think that we will get to the bottom of this. and i think what will probably happen in the end is that we'll figure out what went wrong here. and it will be one of those critical moments where we have to correct our course, whatever mistakes may have been made. if any. but i do believe that this is a critical moment for our military. >> congressman elijah cummings joining us. ranking member of the house oversight committee. nice to see you, sir. thank you for your time this morning. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> still ahead, a starting point, he resigned after a sex scandal of his own. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey is going to join us to talk about sort of the fallout and how people deal with the fallout. that's straight ahead. stay with us. one. two. three. my credit card rewards are easy to remember. with the bankamericard cash rewards
and so, i think that again we have the fbi investigation. we're going to have, i'm sure, the intelligence committee involved in this. i heard senator feinstein talking about her plans, so i think that we will get to the bottom of this. and i think what will probably happen in the end is that we'll figure out what went wrong here. and it will be one of those critical moments where we have to correct our course, whatever mistakes may have been made. if any. but i do believe that this is a...
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but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and a possible security breach in october. after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue, petraeus stepped do
but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't...
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but why would the fbi investigate the cia e-mails? why is this something the agency would handle internally? >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threaten another person. so that is where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet. and since they're coming into someone working at cia headquarters, and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern here, then, that an outsider could have access, quite simply, to sensitive information and intelligence? >> well, that is the concern when it starts. but when you look into that, in the cia or fbi headquarters or any of the intel agencies, often you have dual computer systems so that you can receive outside e-mails because someone might send a complaint over the public internet service providers. and then of course, you have the classified e-mail systems internally, and they're completely separate. but t
but why would the fbi investigate the cia e-mails? why is this something the agency would handle internally? >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threaten another person. so that is where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet. and since they're coming into someone working at cia headquarters, and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and...
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good that the fbi found out about it before the russians or the chinese. that is the problem. not that he is a general mess egg around and certainly even though according to the uniform code of military justice, that's not allowed, that's not what the press is focused on. the press is focused on the director of the cia having this problem. >> perhaps the biggest story today is benghazi, blowing up again. republicans, john mccain and lindsey graham and others pushing very, very hard now, getting very vicious in their rhetoric toward ambassador rice and so on. what do you think, at the central plank of this do you believe ambassador rice is at fault or is she as barack obama said, she was merely passion on -- passing on intelligence? she was not a key player in all of this, therefore, if he wants to make her secretary of state, he can do it. what do you think? >> first of all, i was substituting for george stephanopoulos that sunday as host of "this week." we were trying to get secretary of state hillary clinton, all of the shows were trying to get secretary of state hillary cli
good that the fbi found out about it before the russians or the chinese. that is the problem. not that he is a general mess egg around and certainly even though according to the uniform code of military justice, that's not allowed, that's not what the press is focused on. the press is focused on the director of the cia having this problem. >> perhaps the biggest story today is benghazi, blowing up again. republicans, john mccain and lindsey graham and others pushing very, very hard now,...
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the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and telling the staff that he had gone to the white house on thursday and asked president obama to accept his resignation. on friday during a phone call, the white house says the president did accept petraeus' resignation, throwing his national security team into fl just days after the election. by the time david petraeus got his first taste of real combat, he was a 50-year-old major general. in 2003, he commanded the 101st airborne during its march on baghdad. it was in iraq that he rhetorically asked a reporter, tell me how this ends, suggesting trouble the u.s. would have there in later years. there he ga
the tip the fbi was acting on involved a rumored affair with his biography, paula broadwell. cnn has not been able to reach her for comment and it's also not clear whether she is the woman whom petraeus admitted having an affair with that led to his resignation. petraeus did not name the woman he was having an affair on. >>> more on general putretraeusd his career from chris lawrence. >> david petraeus sent this letter to the cia staff on friday admitting he had an affair and...
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it's an fbi affair that's sounding alarms. the fbi was investigating some suspicious e-mails and found some e-mails between paula broadwell and david petraeus. broadwell is the woman who wrote his biography. the fbi looks to see whether his communications had been compromised, and they said they had not been. now, petraeus was interviewed by the fbi, but it's not clear if broadwell has been questioned and if she will be. a u.s. official said petraeus was never a target of an investigation and that a tip about an affair led to that probe. now, general petraeus was scheduled to testify next week about the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. now what happens now that he's gone? suzanne kelly is in washington with that part of this big story. >> susan, as washington reels from the announcement not only that david petraeus is stepping down from the post, but also from the admission he was having an extramarital affair, a u.s. official has said the counter intelligence unit was investigating a tip that he was having an affair bec
it's an fbi affair that's sounding alarms. the fbi was investigating some suspicious e-mails and found some e-mails between paula broadwell and david petraeus. broadwell is the woman who wrote his biography. the fbi looks to see whether his communications had been compromised, and they said they had not been. now, petraeus was interviewed by the fbi, but it's not clear if broadwell has been questioned and if she will be. a u.s. official said petraeus was never a target of an investigation and...
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and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it stop right there? >> and why did director claerp -- >> why did it become public? i'd like to know. >> why didn't director james clapper at that point say there is no reason to resign. >> oh. you're saying why didn't he say that. he's the white house official who essentially pushed petraeus out. let's come back to the media coverage. sigh these stories as an attempt to keep the story alive. jill kelley visited the white house three times. once was a tour and once when she had lunch with a low level official. even things that are technically true, with they'r
and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it...
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number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information nueva leone unless they believe there's a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment. >> representative, do you agree with that? especially given that it was om this week that the fbi went to mrs. broadwell's home, boks of mag, some of which is classifieded? >> no, i would totally disagree. general petraeus was the head of the cia. he wasn't running the fish and wildlife department. there is a duty under the law to inform the ranking and chairman of house and senate intelligence. that is to deal with every investigation. and with national security be compromised? perhaps it would. i think that should go to the level of the president. it s
number two, we're talking about professionalism of the fbi. professional men and women who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and according to the attorney general, and i have no information that would contradict this, they gave the information at the appropriate moment in the investigation. look, the fbi is not supposed to disclose information nueva leone unless they believe there's a national security threat. i have no reason to believe they didn't do it until the appropriate moment....
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the fbi said those didn't come from petraeus. or did petraeus compromise himself by putting himself out there in a situation where he could be blackmailed. i don't know. those that do know, director of national security james clapper, dan feinstein who's on the national security committee. although she found out late, they've all looked at it and said, yes, this is a situation where petraeus should have resigned. it seems to be among those that have the details that are necessary the conclusion you have to reach. >> former cia guy robert baer says there has to be something more to this than just a sexual affair, l.z. especially in light of the benghazi hearings coming up. what do you make of that? >> i think general petraeus definitely needs to testify if for no other reason than to add some more validation to the fact that he felt he resigned because it was the honorable thing to do because of the extramarital affair. if he does not testify, it makes it look shady. that adds to me a greater blemish to his legacy than resigning b
the fbi said those didn't come from petraeus. or did petraeus compromise himself by putting himself out there in a situation where he could be blackmailed. i don't know. those that do know, director of national security james clapper, dan feinstein who's on the national security committee. although she found out late, they've all looked at it and said, yes, this is a situation where petraeus should have resigned. it seems to be among those that have the details that are necessary the conclusion...
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she mentioned it to a friend of hers who works at the fbi. the fbi all of a sudden is looking into personal emails. >> the law of unintended consequences. think about that for a minute. it starts out with someone saying what am i getting these harassing emails? where are they coming from? all of a sudden it leads to all this. >> let's be careful here. >> no way. >> how is this working? >> here's the reality. what happens is there is this protection. we all know about the fourth amendment, right? the right protection. there's some measure of protection, and there's also an electronic protection privacy act. the problem, ashleigh, is it was enacted in 1986. >> we didn't even carry cell phones with us at that time, so it's outdated. why is that relevant? it's relevant because of this. if are you transmitting emails, there's a level of protection. if those emails that are stored on a server and they're there for six months, they're deemed abandoned, and as a result of that, the government without a warrant can now say, look, this person is a subj
she mentioned it to a friend of hers who works at the fbi. the fbi all of a sudden is looking into personal emails. >> the law of unintended consequences. think about that for a minute. it starts out with someone saying what am i getting these harassing emails? where are they coming from? all of a sudden it leads to all this. >> let's be careful here. >> no way. >> how is this working? >> here's the reality. what happens is there is this protection. we all know...
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i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so maybe the president will put some of those things to rest tomorrow. but the fbi really hasn't come out and said much at all so a lot of the information that's been coming out about this case has been through leaks and anonymous sources. >> i think the reason the fbi is not saying anything is because this is going to be deeply embarrassing when we get to the bottom of it. thank you both very much. >>> i want to turn to a member of general petraeus' inner circle, his former spokesman, colonel steve boylan. colonel, thank you for joining me. when did you last speak to david petraeus? >> i spoke with
i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so...
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you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of that agent who had this picture taken in between two dummies and make it look like he was a target at the range, and he sent it to a number of people including the media. >> the fbi has really been amazing over these past few decades. since the sordid days of j. edgar hoover in rebuilding its reputation. an incident like this could have a negative impact. >> it could but it won't. the agents should not have got outside of the fbi. that's why these protocols exist. that's why the white house wasn't notified, because of what happened decad
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me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone at the cia, so this is -- the thing about animosity with the cia is in this matter particularly ridiculous. >> david petraeus visit security clearance on cnm.com for more information. >>> still thousands of folks without power. across ten states, recovering from superstorm sandy taking longer, much longer accident than people had hoped. >> god is with us, and we know we're going to have help soon. i trust in our government, you know, we're going to have help soon, and everything is going to be all right. ♪ ♪ we're
me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone...
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in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so the chances of actually getting into his e-mail and getting secrets are very remote. >> yeah. >> remote to none. >> because he had an affair doesn't mean he's not smart. he was vulnerable in that particular -- >> no, no. people succumb to it. he did. it's a tragedy. he was a great general. it's a tragedy for everybody concerned. i think frankly these things should just be kept quiet and people deal with it quietly. but i'm saying there's something else that we don't know that forced the urgency on this. and i'm very curious to see what it is. >> bob, we have to leave it there. thank you. appr
in the fbi, there's no computer system inside the cia or the fbi that's connected to the internet. they're completely different systems. everybody at the cia knows you cannot put classified information inside public e-mail addresses. it just doesn't happen. the director, the rest of it -- yeah, there's a slight chance that someone could get some inside scoop on the director. but blackmail, come on, no. this guy's disciplined. he's smart, except for this affair. but he knows what he's doing. so...
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she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation? are we getting near the end where someone's going to say here's the bulk of what we know? are we still in the middle, the end? where are we? >> clearly, this keeps on unraveling. i think what we're going so see next is the result of the house and senate committee investigations as to why they were not informed because i know on a regular basis, the fbi informs those committees or at least the two top ranking people on those committees of much less sensitive investigations than this and yet they didn't tell them about this until after the election, so they're going to get the facts
she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation?...
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he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of events and why it took as lock as it did to find out that the nation's chief intelligence person was under investigation. let's just go through this timeline again. it started in may. the fbi at that time first started looking into anonymous harassing e-mails sent to jill kelley. that's where agent humphries comes in. it was late in the summer when high level officials at the fbi and justice department were told that their investigation had also uncovered an affair between david petraeus and his biographer, paula broadwell. it's not clear when mueller and holder were notified, but in mid october, the fbi interviewed paula broadwell and david petraeus. eric cantor was told of
he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of events and why it took as lock as it did to find out that the...
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by that time an fbi investigation was already under way. the fbi told the director of national intelligence james clapper on election night, according to a senior u.s. intelligence official. the white house says it was notified the day after the election, and the president the following day. that doesn't make sense to house homeland security chairman peter king. >> this seems to have been going on for several months yet now it appears they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> "the new york times" reports the fbi actually started its investigation late this summer. the house and senate intelligence committees were also caught by surprise. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> the fbi was investigating harassing e-mails from petraeus' biographer. the trail led to paula broadwell, who co-wrote "all
by that time an fbi investigation was already under way. the fbi told the director of national intelligence james clapper on election night, according to a senior u.s. intelligence official. the white house says it was notified the day after the election, and the president the following day. that doesn't make sense to house homeland security chairman peter king. >> this seems to have been going on for several months yet now it appears they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until...
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worked with the fbi who knew. i don't think the director of the fbi knew until mid-october or perhaps even later. and certainly the justice -- it's unclear when the justice department was informed. but it is fairly remarkable that in a situation like this that the president and the white house would not be told until, you know, right before his resignation. and certainly i think the mistake that was made was that congress ought to be informed at the same time that the senior people on the national security establishment are told. >> right. particularly when you're talking about the cia director. this is not a low-level resignation we're talking about. or a scandal involving a low-level member of the administration. having said that, richard and oliver, i want to get to you, because the justice points out that it followed protocol. that there was no national security breach as far as they know and there was no criminal wrongdoing because petraeus was a retired general. having said that, congressman peter king spoke
worked with the fbi who knew. i don't think the director of the fbi knew until mid-october or perhaps even later. and certainly the justice -- it's unclear when the justice department was informed. but it is fairly remarkable that in a situation like this that the president and the white house would not be told until, you know, right before his resignation. and certainly i think the mistake that was made was that congress ought to be informed at the same time that the senior people on the...
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the fbi woif been the ones to look into that. the official told us that the fbi counterintelligence unit investigated this to see whether or not there was a potential security risk really whether anyone could have taken this information and blackmailed general petraeus with it, which would have been a security risk. the official says there's no suggestion that the fbi was investigating petraeus for any possible wrong doing but more they were looking at him for potential vulnerability. >> they were looking to see if this affair which he has now acknowledged potentially could have resulted in classified information going to an inappropriate source, is that what you're saying? >> that's one possibility that the fbi looks at when they conduct investigations like this. another would have been if somebody had information on him that they could have used to blackmail him, if you don't do what wi want, we're going to take it public and ruin your career. that's why the fbi stepped in to investigate. >> fran, you know general petraeus as w
the fbi woif been the ones to look into that. the official told us that the fbi counterintelligence unit investigated this to see whether or not there was a potential security risk really whether anyone could have taken this information and blackmailed general petraeus with it, which would have been a security risk. the official says there's no suggestion that the fbi was investigating petraeus for any possible wrong doing but more they were looking at him for potential vulnerability. >>...
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of that fbi team to republican staffers on capitol hill. all of that is still preliminary at this point, but certainly the next days are going to bring additional questions as to when officials started to learn how high up this went, how high up in the fbi and the justice department did that investigation go in terms of authorizing the examination, the e-mails, and why, for instance, director clapper didn't know earlier and why perhaps the president was not briefed earlier on this. >> all right. rajiv chandrasekaran. appreciate your time this morning. from "the washington post." we thank you. >>> today we honor veterans on this day. parades and services are held across the country to remember all chose who served. don't forget to thank them for their extraordinary sacrifices today. >>> president obama will pay tribute to them later this morning. he'll lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery. a familiar challenge for the folks in washington, how to fix the u.s. economy. with just 51 days until the so-ca
of that fbi team to republican staffers on capitol hill. all of that is still preliminary at this point, but certainly the next days are going to bring additional questions as to when officials started to learn how high up this went, how high up in the fbi and the justice department did that investigation go in terms of authorizing the examination, the e-mails, and why, for instance, director clapper didn't know earlier and why perhaps the president was not briefed earlier on this. >> all...
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he was the one whoook that initial complaint and turned it over to the cyberunit at the fbi. we know from a coup of sources he's still on duty. he was not apparently happy with the way the investigation was going. but then you'll remember the sexy little nugget that came out earlier this week, that he had actually sent shirtless photographs of himself to jill kelley. well it will turns out after a couple of meetings yesterday, some representatives for the kelley family described that picture in a little more detail. now we can imagine what it looked like. he was on a shooting range. there were dummies there where they take aim at. he thought it might be funny to take his shirt off and stand among a lineup of dummies. it's not my idea of sexy. as we're finding out more details about the story and getting into the facts of it, it still is interesting, but maybe not quite as bad as everyone first thought. >> one of my sources close to that particular agent said he's a standup guy and never would have sent a sexy shirtless picture. so that does make a lot of sense. suzanne kelly,
he was the one whoook that initial complaint and turned it over to the cyberunit at the fbi. we know from a coup of sources he's still on duty. he was not apparently happy with the way the investigation was going. but then you'll remember the sexy little nugget that came out earlier this week, that he had actually sent shirtless photographs of himself to jill kelley. well it will turns out after a couple of meetings yesterday, some representatives for the kelley family described that picture in...
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...